INFOSYS- A study in “following trends”
Most of us hear these words on TV and press:
“Don’t buy now as the price is too high” or “Buy on correction” or “Buy Low and Sell High”.And many times we see a stock “never correcting” and continuing to keep its upward journey.
If you see my posts I advocate “buying high and selling higher” which to many people seems like going against the ‘conventional wisdom”.
To show how this philosophy actually works and how it can help us, I ran one of my trading systems which is a long term trend following system on INFOSYS to explain and understand the results.
Please note that all prices used in the analysis are adjusted for splits and bonuses.
INFOSYS was available in 1995 at a price of Rs. 7.
My algorithmic trading System gave its first BUY in April 1996 at Rs. 8.75 and this was all time high for stock then! The price moved up and then went down giving an exit at around Rs 10 in June 97 after reaching an all time high of 11.25 (Yes,we are not trying to pick the top!). The gain was around 15%.
The stock again moved up again after that to give a BUY ENTRY at 11.30 in Dec 96. This time the trend was stronger and the stock continued up to Rs 50 by Oct 97. The Exit came when stock moved back to around 40-41 levels,giving a gain of almost 300% in 10 months.
The stock again continued its upward journey in March 1998 when it moved up the 50 levels and reached all time high of 51. Again you enter on a stronger trend upward at 51 and try to ride the trend. This time trend is really a big one and the stock continues to move for two years and reaches a high of 1742 in March 2000 (The height of IT boom).
The EXIT comes when the stock starts to move back to 1100 levels (a full 600 points from the top!). Still we made 22 times our money in 2 years!
Now comes the most interesting part. Instead of moving up the stock this time begins to go downhill.From 1700 to 1100 to a low of 265 in Oct 01. Now we were not caught on the wrong foot in this fall as we did not try to “pick the bottom” or “buy low” .
The stock stayed like that till Oct 03 when again a buy signal came after the stock started to move up beyond 600. The entry point was 600 but the trend didn’t develop, so there was an exit at around 590 levels. So there was small loss of around 2%. (Also avoiding the May 04 crash)
Now the Stock again moves up in July 04 giving a BUY entry at around 760 levels and trend continues till Feb 2007 at 2095.The returns was almost 300% in 2.5 years.
The current trend in INFOSYS is downward/sideways.
Now lets summarize how much we made or lost on each trade by “buying high” and “selling higher”.
Trade 1 :15%
Trade 2:+300%
Trade 3:+2100%
Trade 4:-2%
Trade 5: 300%
So whats the moral of the story?
There are couple of observations by following this approach:
a) You are able to pick infosys at Rs 8
b)You are on the “right” side of the market most of the market cycles.
c) You are able to “stay out” of bear markets.
d) Sometimes trends continue for extended periods of time because of fear and greed factor in the markets.
e) One can never tell what is the absolute the “top” and the “bottom”. A “top” is only visible when you look back in time.When the stock made the first top of 11, who could have told you that the stock will be making a top of 2400 ?
Now the bull market in India has been continuing for last 4 years and no one can “predict” how long it might continue-5 years,10 years or 25 years!
So if it continues for another 5 years, you will be riding the “full wave” till the end and get out at the right time with your profits.
You might not believe it but the same system gave an entry in UNITECH at Rs 2.20 and gave an exit at 400. The System is still long something in PRAJ Industries after giving an entry at Rs 10.
If it gets out in 5 days, you will be out with your small losses only so that you can again wait for the right opportunity.
People might have been lucky that INFOSYS came back to 1800 levels in seven years but there were many stocks which never came back!They fell from 2000 to 20 levels and just stayed there.
So just think and when you say I am “buy” and “hold” investor or I am a long term investor.
In next post I will try to discuss how a “fundamental analyst” would have dealt with the INFOSYS stock price. It might give you a different perspective about how we view markets.
We will also try to understand how so called ‘technical analysts’ manage to create so much hoopla around their craft.
Meanwhile I will look forward to your comments.
I am new to this field and try to learn, from nice info you are giving here. Thanks a lot.
Naresh – You are welcome. I am glad to know that you have learnt something valuable and useful.
hi……. it’s really good post,guy like me (new) needs dis kind of solid examples b coz we r indians until n unless we dont come across we will never b liv. pls help me in some more knowledge about intra day nd long time investing. please do visit thank u.
Intraday trading is just a trick used by brokers to generate brokerage income. Retail investors should avoid it.
SIR ,
YOUR Concept Buy high and sell at high is very high risk trading give short term profit in days/weeks/hours. hope after breaking all time (resistanance) high ,fresh buy will come so it able to hit new high ( time to exit). my personal concept buy near all time low sell near all time high ( this all time low vary for traders) intraday — day low
swing traders- week low/month low
Vijay- I never buy stocks that are in long term downtrend. Infosys has been in a downtrend since Feb-March 2007.
As a matter of fact, I had issued a short sell call on Infosys some days back as our first short term target was 1600 on the stock. Now I feel even 1490-1500 is possible.
good article. but you have to tell clearly on whether to hold or not, as I have big no at 1587.
The article is just illustrating the “buy high and sell higher” concept.
The exact entry and exit strategies are part of some of the mechanical systems I use for my personal trading.
This is a good article but there is a basic thing which is not explained ie HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY THE BUY OR SELL SIGNAL . This is a fundamental question which needs to be explained
I really did not understand the buy high sell higher thing till I read this today. Really something to think about! Very good article, Sage.
In India insider trading is so prevalent despite SEBI’s best efforts. I know CAs who cook up balance sheets. I know presidents who pass inside information to their friends and relatives!
And most of these guys, don’t even consider this as a serious offence!
It is difficult to find which is the unitech or the infy of tomorrow for the common invester hears all advices ,gets stucked, mostly books losses and all of a sudden sees the script flaring. one example. I bought zenith info@170. sold@20. after years of wait.Now it is around500. padmini technology I started buying@100 to@12 as ET recomended in its INSIDER as a strong risk free buy@40 with EPS ofRs.20 plus. Nobody can tell the whereabouts of this stock. With little knowledge of honesty of the managements underinformed people always suffer.I have been in the stock markets since1991. the money I made is the money I lost. For the first time I feel I can find some direction with your informative presentations. Kindly refer any such service if is avaible in addition to this.
I have written a post “5 simple rules for an investor”. You won’t require any further tips.
Hi,
Dont have any words to explain how well you have done this all.Very truly speaking i am very new in this and i read your post and am very much intrested to know more about market as i dont know the head and tail of it, will surely appericiate if you can give me some tips and trick about how to go with it
Good post and good looking blog!
You chose a stock that did well and told us how it feels to follow an up trending stock all the way. Maybe, you can also take a case where the stock was not as lucky as INFY was, and tell users when to quit instead of waiting for the stock to go up in big scale.
Nidhi
Thanks Vibhav for your comments. Visited your blog and found it to very informative. Keep up the good work.
Hi. Good post. Do visit my blog too. But could you please explain your trading system to us?
rgds
Vibhas
Rajendra-The system is proprietary which I have developed for my personal use. I can not disclose the details.
A thought provoking analysis. May I know details about the trading system you follow.
Very interesting and good analysis. Its one of the best analyzes i have seen in recent times on any stock.
Would be looking forward to many such posts from you.
A very good post. This shows how you are enriching people by using your experience.Keep on extracting best .
Avijeet,
Please post comments which are relevant to this article in this post. Post your stock specific queries separately.
Sir there is one more STOCK
HindDorr Oliver..
It has got 3 mega order whhich will triple its sales in a year… but yet brokerage houses are putting a price tgt of 120 only…
In my view Hind Dorr Oliver should cross 200 in next 4-5 Qs.
Yes u r absloutly right….
Its a very good article (rather a case study)
thanks
m still waiting for ur call on Trip Expo