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Do you believe it- RPL up 12%?

Friday, September 21, 2007 Leave a comment Go to comments

Now I asked you to play oil by buying RPL/ RIL and play the rupee dollar by shorting IT. But who’d have thought that RPL shall be up 12% in a day?

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  1. Pawan gupta
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    which stock is to buy as i can hold for 3 months
    and i also can do in future option of the stock

  2. sagecapital
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Ashish- you are too smart! Hats off to you. You are giving me more credit than I actually deserve 🙂
    Which bank account query are you referring to? may be you are on the wrong site!
    And dude you are trying to give religious colour to the whole discussion 😉

  3. Murtaza
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    Re Sage and Myself being the same person — sounds almost like what I was just joking about earlier that the AA bros are joining hands behind everyone’s back 🙂

  4. ashish
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    Sage arguments from both sides one by using HART ID AND one BY using SageCapital ID … in between murtaza i think … cannot be caught, timing of messge and reply always same everyTIME. Argument counterargument , why can’t NOONE SEE this TREND?

    AND NOBODY replies me, bank account query. .. payment method sharing … WHY NOONE LISTENING TO ME?

    gnpati bappa moryaaaaaaaaaaaa

  5. ReyMax
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 10:27 am

    ..exactly the point i am making.

    “Who cares what the reason is.

    Just ride the horse in the direction it is going. It is easier.”

    Ride the trend and make money. Leave the reasons to Fundamentalists and chartists and Technical Analysts and ….so on.

  6. sagecapital
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 10:07 am

    Rey-
    I get your point but If we start thinking this way, there is not an end to “what might happen”.
    Who knows an event like Sept 11 happens on Monday?
    All I can do is to imagine how my positions will look like if another May 17 happens out of blue!

  7. ReyMax
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 2:54 am

    What is the reason??

    Very obvious. The stocks are suddenly in a terrible hurry to get to where they are going.

    Why are they suddenly in such a frantic tear to get to where they are going?

    Somebody knows today that there isnt much time left to get to where they should be.

    Perhaps somebody knows today, what will otherwise be common knowledge only after a week or a fortnight or a month.

    Just a conjecture, perhaps this means that the govt is about to dissolve the parliament and call for fresh elections

    OR perhaps Mr Bush is going ahead with his obssesion with Iran

    OR perhaps a Financial Tsunami is about to hit the world.

    Who cares what the reason is. Just ride the horse in the direction it is going. It is easier.

    Cheers

  8. sagecapital
    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 12:25 am

    Ashish- This is a great revelation!
    Murtaza- what do you think? 🙂

  9. ashish
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    sagecapital,hart and Murtaza is the SAME Person! Drama for TRP like INDIAN IDOL where judges FIGHT. ALL THIS IS PRE PLANNED.

    Some good stocks recommendations!! Please tell me how to pay fees sagecapital. REPLY A.S.A.P.

  10. sagecapital
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    You can’t “predict” corrections but “prepare” yourself for them as and when they happen.

  11. akshatclinic
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    It seems like TV sitcoms except that this is related to stocks.But still it is entertaining.The way RNRL moved today was amazing.The Market may correct next week because such a massive profit on book will not be kept for long by FII or Indian investors.Corrections are imminent and will be sharp.

  12. sagecapital
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Hart-
    -You talking about RIIL without giving us the “reasons”.
    -Then you talk about RNRLs without giving us the “reasons”
    -I wonder what kinds of stocks you track as a “fundamental analyst”- stocks which are purely “speculative”.

    Just in case something has changed “fundamentally” for these stocks ,you should enlighten us.

    You don’t need to comment on “what a trader should do” because you yourself DO NOT trade and have no experience of trading. Why I say is that because you have never “taken any loss”!

    If you really believe in adding “value” on this site, give us a good “investment idea” along with reasons and fundamentals.If you know your craft and are willing to share, you are most welcome.Just don’t talk in the ‘air”-sometimes news, sometimes technical, sometimes fundamental!We already have enough such experts on TV 🙂

    My business depending on your comments-HAHAHAHA
    I can’t stop laughing 🙂
    Give me a break dude…

  13. hart
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    Sage, did you reply without reading my messages? 😀 Let me take you on each point:-

    —————————————————————————
    talk of balance sheets! You are talking about “expectations/news” rather than fundamentals.
    Talk about PEs and PEGs.Talk about ROE and ROCE. Talk about price to book value.Talk about DCF model and stuff. Talk about valuations.Talk of equity to debt ratios.
    ————————————————————————-
    Are you expected me talk over all these things for RPL? or RNRL? You feel these moves can predicted by fundamentals? NO, they just can’t. Again, re-read what I wrote above. No one has answers to these moves- simple! You may laugh and clap over this statement, but facts are facts. Fundamentalists are no God, sooner you get it .. best for ya. Your question over what RNRL does, says it all about you.

    ——————————————————————————-
    A “fundamental guy’ talking about Stop loss- surprise surprise!Which “fundamental analyst” talks about it?
    ——————————————————————————
    I, personally, never use stop loss crap. Re-read above again. I specifically used word “trader” in my stop loss line.
    But then you are the person who label “what happens when TRADING bets go wrong” under “Investor Education” .. that answers it all 😀

    ——————————————————————————-
    These days, I am finding a lot of ‘fundamental guys” talking about break outs, stop losses and stuff. Looks like their “fundamental methods’ have failed them!
    hmmm..very interesting!
    ——————————————————————————–
    Ouch, that looked comment in very poor taste. Am I hurting your business Sage? I’ll perhaps stay out in that case …

  14. sagecapital
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    Hart- talk of balance sheets! You are talking about “expectations/news” rather than fundamentals.
    Talk about PEs and PEGs.Talk about ROE and ROCE. Talk about price to book value.Talk about DCF model and stuff. Talk about valuations.Talk of equity to debt ratios.

    A “fundamental guy’ talking about Stop loss- surprise surprise!Which “fundamental analyst” talks about it?
    These days, I am finding a lot of ‘fundamental guys” talking about break outs, stop losses and stuff. Looks like their “fundamental methods’ have failed them!
    hmmm..very interesting!

  15. hart
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    RNRL has CNG/ piped gas planned out for NCR region household and industries. RNRL’s/ RIL court hearing date is also approaching soon.
    Fundamentals? nothing else that I’m aware of which can drive these thinks at this rate. Somebody is buying these scripts at whatever available price. You know it’s not common retail investor, and your guess is as good as mine over who is playing. All started with RIIL and now continued with RNRL/ RPL. Keep making money, but don’t get greedy … if you are a short term trader, remember there’s term like “stop loss”!

  16. sagecapital
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    I didn’t find any 2:30 factor. ya sometimes when markets are strong short covering pushes the markets around 3:00-3:15 PM.

    Now this game shall be played only by “expert traders”. Many shall watch from the sidelines trying to figure out the logic. Others might jump in to make a quick buck but might end up getting caught on the wrong foot.

  17. amol
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    Give your comments on petronet LNG.it is also moving up nicely for last 2-3 dys.

  18. Murtaza
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Also have u noticed that nowadays we are having – i have termed it as – a 2½ factor …..

    Markets take a particular direction after 2.30 pm

  19. Murtaza
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    Like what Hart has said — are the brothers joining hands behind the broken front?

    Coincidentally, I was just discussing this same thing with a friend of mine that there is either a scam with the AA (Ambani Ambani) scrips or else there is some news cooking like the bros joining up …

    🙂

  20. Murtaza
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    I had bid for it but it never came, slow ICICI website at the end of the day ….

    Better luck next time

    I cannot figure whether I should 🙂 or 😦

  21. sagecapital
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    Murtaza-Did you take it?

  22. sagecapital
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Hart- you should be the one explaining me these moves! You are a hardcore ‘fundamental guy” 🙂
    And what about valuations?RPL doesn’t even have a balance sheet! and RNRL- what business is it in?
    I don’t predict targets-thats why I am riding an RPL or RIL fpr the long haul.Similarly I have been riding NIFTY from 4250. And IT- iam also riding the downward trend!
    Who knows where these guys will end up going?Ride till they bend! All I can say is that the “bend”shall be sharp and swift.

  23. Murtaza
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Another 2 sectors which have not moved and inch till now – Non-Steel metals, Hindalco, Sterlite etc and Telecom, MTNL, VSNL, SASKEN etc

    Any ideas .. they are the only ones left behind after Pharma, Gas, Oil, Auto, Metal movements ….

    Should one get ready for these scrips to blast off or will they remain bystanders in the high fizz party ….

  24. Murtaza
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    What abt RNRL, any ideas on where it is going to stop.

    RNRL 60 call was available at 75p y’day, today it is quoting 19 bucks on a lot of 7150 an estimated 1.4 lacs rupees profit ….

    Mind blowing …

    One trade like this in a month is all we need ….

    Cheers …..

  25. hart
    Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Check out RNRL as well, 35% rise in single day …

    These brother believes in defying all charts/ balance sheets. People are concerned over why balanced sheet/ charts are not predicting their moves … what a waste of time … MA/ AA bros. taking India to new level and just be with them till the party lasts. Some are busy looking at balance sheets day and night, whereas there’s certain section ready to buy Ambani scripts at ANY damn price!
    Is this just the begining? Dare to imagine what will happen onces they join hand behind the scenes to kick third party out? Better you don’t!

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